22 April 2008

12 "gosh golly gee darn"

yes, your friendly neighborhood oline said this. and no, she wasn't starring as the tombody sidekick in a deanna durbin film at the time.

12 comments:

Les Savy Ferd said...

so how's that buffy watching coming? Croftie and I have been discussing a possible boycott of HIMYM part deux if you haven't seen one of just the 12 episodes from the first season.

*grumbles*

oline said...

alright already. you've made your point. i will watch one before HIMYM deux.

no grumbling!

Les Savy Ferd said...

i'm sorry mis O. i was kidding more or less. also, i've had more time on my hands at the workplace so there is that kind of stress/non-stress to deal with, and the blogging. I;ve been doing lots and lots of blogging.

oline said...

croftie spilled the beans. apparently there was a diabolical plot to set your price at a whole disc. i'm glad you've lowered your standards. HIMYM nite is not a thing to be missed. (and as if you needed enticement- it's jmills birthday and whether or not jmills shows there will be champagne and there will be cake and we do like cake.)

Les Savy Ferd said...

champagne? really!? that knock on the door you hear (if you were at home) is me already showing up.

also, please don't think of my Buffy demand as some sort of friendly extortion. Its just a lovely show and you are already on such good terms with ms hannigan.

(and the beans have been spillt in return--if you are concerned about odd reclusive bizarre fan bases with freakish devotion bordering on blind idol worship, well, Alias has that too and you seem to enjoy it? right? anywho, one can still like buffy and not be a Whedonish monster)

oline said...

such a beanspiller that croftie. i'm not making any promises, but maybe tonight...

Clark MF Price said...

Oh I remember those days of watching Buffy on FX. I seem to recall you saying that you hated the phrase "you wanna come with?"
I am glad you have become so "five by five."

oline said...

so, dougO. what do you not like about alias? having watched buffy, ep. 1, it's pretty much alias plus vampires, plus some trying way too hard to be cool in the early 90s dialog, minus the rambaldi crap.

Les Savy Ferd said...

My basic problem with alias is that it was/is very hard to follow. Not that every show needs a 'master narrative" but its nice to know things are leading somewhere and an appropriate amount of suspense keeps building up every episode or two, and the tension is periodically released by something funny or touching, etc. The formula is not new and not hard to follow. Good examples of this are the first 2 seasons of 24 and seasons 2-6 of Buffy.

Things in Alias seem to happen for no reason, like the writers are thinking up things all the time as they go and don't care how it fits into the big picture as long it is cool and involves suspending Jennifer Garner from some sort of cable system or other or putting her in some sort of latex.

My second complaint is that I don't care about any of the characters with the possible exception of the father. This shouldn't be a spoiler since it happened in the first or second episode, but when SD6 killed Sydney's fiance I felt nothing, I had no idea who he was or why anyone would care about him dying or feel bad for Sydney for her loss. All I had was a scene ripped from Top Gun or something with a douche singing his love to someone in public place. If anything that made me happy he was almost assuredly going to be brutally murdered.

Bad forced "too cool" dialogue is one thing, but at least it makes you react. I am of the Juno school of teen dialogue. I think teens should be equal parts funny and annoying, after all most of them are trying REALLY hard to be cool, and sometimes that is going to feel artificial. The dialogue on Alias on the other hand is boring and leaden and completely forgettable. I care absolutely zip for the secondary characters who are some of the least memorable I've ever seen. There are one-episode cameos on Buffy and HIMYM that have more pop and fun than all of the regulars on Alias combined.

As far as i can tell JJ Abrams has a lot of ideas and used Alias as a training area and virtual rough draft before he got real actors and more compellingly written characters on Lost.

Reason three is that there is no romance. I am a big softy and needs my stories! There are no relationships of any significance here, Sydney seems to have old acquaintances that pop in for the sole purpose trying to make her appear more desirable than she really is. There is zero chemistry between her and the CIA guy, I could cut the sexual tension with a dull spoon. There are also no surprises or stupid mistakes or if there is they were not stupid enough for me to remember or care about.

In short, there is more to like in a secondary character like Buffy's Anya who doesn't really come in until season 4 than all of the people who stumble around in Alias season 1, and on top of everything else I am told the show gets progressively worse, not better!

That is hard to believe.

oline said...

such a doubter...

Les Savy Ferd said...

man, writing diatribes always makes one sound like a jerk. i am a lot of things but i hope pirate jerk isn't one of them.

oline said...

you are not a pirate jerk. and don't worry- i went off on your lady for about the eighty millionth time in our acquaintence the other day about that damn gangs of new york. we all have our sore spots. your's is alias. mine is a film that could have been brilliant (never has DDL been more convincing as timothy dalton) had it only had a cohesive score rather than just the u2 song booming at the end and had martin scorsese employed that extra year between completion and distribution to excise the disasterous parts from his masterpiece so that it actually was a masterpiece rather than a bloated mess making points that were ambivalent at best about violence and cities and slaves and sluts. grrrrrrrr.